Audio Interview, Patty, November 28, 1973

  • PATTY: Live with a lot of people.
  • And I did want to have a different lifestyle.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Patty, how did you go
  • about finding some like minded people
  • for your communal experiment?
  • PATTY: Well, I didn't really find them.
  • They were all together.
  • They had been friends for six or seven years.
  • And I knew one of them, this man named Larry.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: They-- this is a group of people already living
  • in the country?
  • PATTY: They-- well, no.
  • They were living-- yeah.
  • They were living in the country.
  • They had rented a house for a year
  • and were looking for some land.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: I had met all of them.
  • And I knew that they would be moving to Kelly Road
  • to build a house--
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: --and have a garden.
  • And I decided that I wanted to help build a house
  • and have a garden with them.
  • And this would be my first ever living communally
  • with a group of people.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: How did they get together in terms of money?
  • It costs money to rent a house.
  • It costs money to buy some land.
  • PATTY: One of their fathers have a big business in New Jersey.
  • So they all work for him.
  • And they made a lot of money.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: I see.
  • So there was help on the thing from families involved.
  • PATTY: Yeah, yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And yourself, did you also
  • work for this manufacturer?
  • PATTY: I had no money.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You had no money?
  • PATTY: No.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: They just let you come in and--
  • PATTY: Well, every so often--
  • my parents are very much into supporting me.
  • So they would send me money.
  • But I would contribute to the rest of the funds,
  • because I didn't want it for myself.
  • I had no use for it.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: I see.
  • So you moved.
  • You just mentioned Kelly Road.
  • Where is Kelly Road?
  • PATTY: It's about an hour south of Potsdam.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: That's in upstate New York.
  • PATTY: Yes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And you moved up there.
  • By the time you moved up, had they found land?
  • Had you found a place with land?
  • PATTY: Yes, there was--
  • they found land in Rensselaer Falls.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: Which is up north, I guess, past Watertown.
  • And there was a foundation on it and a well.
  • And that was all that remained from the past landowner.
  • We were going to build a log cabin.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: So you set out to build a log cabin.
  • PATTY: Mhm.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: By hand?
  • PATTY: By hand.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: It sounds--
  • people had skills to do that.
  • PATTY: We had no skills.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You had no skills?
  • PATTY: We had the Foxfire Book and a lot of other books.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: What's the Foxfire Book?
  • PATTY: It's a book gathered by some people
  • from I don't know where.
  • And they went to some rural areas
  • down south for people that had skills of building log cabins
  • and making quilts, just all these skills
  • that people used in 1800s and are still going on now.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And in the 18-- the book is from the 1800s?
  • PATTY: Well, the book isn't from the 1800s, no.
  • But these are people that carried
  • on things that went on in the 1800s they're still doing.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: I see.
  • And you eventually did get a cabin built?
  • PATTY: Well, not-- this started last--
  • summer of '72.
  • And the cabin didn't get built til the summer of '73.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: How did you survive for the winter?
  • PATTY: No one was there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Oh, I see.
  • PATTY: Everybody left.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: They left.
  • PATTY: Because the cabin was-- never got built.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: But by the summer of '73,
  • you had built, by hand, a cabin.
  • PATTY: Not exactly.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Not exactly.
  • OK.
  • PATTY: We lived in a tent for the month of June.
  • Oh, people left Kelly Road in December of '72
  • and came back in April of '73, living in a big army tent,
  • until about June when the cabin was seriously
  • started to be built. The foundation was cemented
  • and the first logs started going up.
  • And the cabin was finished in about, about July, '73.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • So then you all had to-- how many of them,
  • of you, were there?
  • PATTY: There was usually between six and ten.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Between six and ten people.
  • And you all had living space there.
  • PATTY: We all had-- yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: One big room, it sounds like.
  • PATTY: Well, there was a big tent, which
  • was a living space for about six people--
  • included the kitchen, the dining room, the general area
  • for everything.
  • And then there was a dome, a polyethylene dome
  • and another little shelter--
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: --that other people lived in.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: This was before the cabin was built?
  • PATTY: Yes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: After the cabin was built, you had a--
  • and then you had one big room in the cabin with the kitchen,
  • living room--
  • PATTY: Well--
  • BRUCE JEWELL: --bedroom, facilities?
  • PATTY: --people just moved into the cabin a month ago.
  • A month ago--a week ago.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: A week ago!
  • PATTY: When people moved in, they had to get--
  • they had to get it chinked, which is putting insulation
  • in between the logs.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Yeah.
  • PATTY: And making it weatherproof, because it's
  • pretty cold up there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: So people just--
  • now there are only five people there, five or four.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: What kind of problems did you have?
  • It took a long time for the group of you
  • to build that log cabin.
  • What kind of problems did you face getting things together,
  • training people in skills?
  • If you've never used an axe before,
  • it's difficult to build a log cabin.
  • If you have all these problems--
  • hauling goods and taking care of things,
  • how did you manage this?
  • PATTY: Well, the work union was good.
  • Like people-- what had to be done was done.
  • It was just that, who knew what to do first.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And the power structure got very out of hand.
  • No one knew where to begin with what.
  • And no one had enough initiative to do something
  • without someone looking over their shoulder
  • and saying, "Oh, you're doing that,
  • so maybe I should do this."
  • BRUCE JEWELL: There was no leadership.
  • PATTY: There-- not that you needed any leadership.
  • There just with no initiative on anybody's
  • part whether if I did this, would I be doing it right?
  • Or would someone get down on me for doing it at all?
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • Well, that seems to me to be a kind of lack of leadership--
  • PATTY: Yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: --that is there's no one
  • to coordinate the tasks that need to be done.
  • And they get it done.
  • This must have led to some hassles between people.
  • Living close together, there's a phrase--
  • cabin fever.
  • I've sometimes suffered from that
  • with having a lot of roommates.
  • And then having to work together,
  • and then what perhaps was a frustrating situation
  • sometimes.
  • PATTY: It got to the point where there were so
  • many hassles that no one was talking to each other.
  • There were cliques of people.
  • There were two or three people who got along.
  • And maybe one person got along with another group of people.
  • And they would talk to each other.
  • But things were just done in cliques.
  • This was the summer of '72.
  • In the summer of '73, everybody basically got along.
  • The cabin got built. And people that could do things better
  • than others would do it.
  • Like I could can food better than I could cut a log.
  • So I was canning food.
  • But I think people got along as far as work.
  • As far as personalities, we didn't get along so well.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: What happened between '72 and '73
  • that allowed the work situation to improve?
  • PATTY: Different people.
  • (Laughs)
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Different people.
  • I see.
  • PATTY: Yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: So there really was a change there.
  • Living this close together, there
  • were men and women, mostly men?
  • What was the--
  • PATTY: There were two women.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: There were two women.
  • PATTY: Yes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And this must have caused some rather
  • severe interpersonal problems.
  • PATTY: Well, there wasn't really any conflicts between--
  • the other woman and I got along very well,
  • because we were fighting against eight men, practically.
  • We weren't expected to do mainly womanly chores,
  • but it ended up-- because I didn't
  • feel I carried logs or doing any of those heavy work,
  • that I just stayed in the kitchen
  • most of the time because I wanted to.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: So you weren't--
  • you didn't feel too upset about division, role division
  • and so on?
  • And so as far as the men were better able to do heavy tasks,
  • you were happy that they did them.
  • PATTY: Yeah, well, there were only,
  • like, there were only about three men
  • usually working in the house.
  • And the rest of them were in the garden or in the kitchen, too.
  • So it wasn't basically like all the women were doing the women
  • work, and all the men were doing the men's work, because it
  • wasn't really like that.
  • We really didn't have much choice.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Patty, you indicated
  • that there wasn't really much problem with the relationship
  • between the sexes because there wasn't much going on with--
  • there wasn't much sexual activity at all.
  • What I'd like to know is what did happen?
  • And what-- how did people relate?
  • Where were the areas of warmth or a relationship and so on?
  • PATTY: I guess the only really expressions of warmth
  • was when people were working together.
  • And they talked.
  • I was basically working with this other woman, Joanie.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And we would talk and talk.
  • And she was, she was sleeping with one of the men there,
  • Larry.
  • They didn't have very much sex.
  • They just would-- they just had been sleeping together.
  • They had been friends for seven years or so.
  • And she-- they were just past the point of having sex,
  • I guess.
  • And I just, I was, I was sleeping with this man, Martin,
  • sleeping besides him.
  • We didn't have any sex, because I just
  • didn't have any desire to have sex with him
  • or he with me or with anybody else there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You-- it sounds like you developed
  • a kind of incest taboo.
  • I've read about this occurring on communes, where people just
  • do not see one another as sexual partners.
  • It's more of a working relationship
  • than anything else.
  • PATTY: I think if there was a lot of sex,
  • there might have been a lot more conflicts like who
  • was going to sleep with who.
  • And, like, since there were only-- were only-- two women,
  • I think it would have created a lot of, maybe,
  • competing between the men.
  • But I don't know, you know, because it didn't happen.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: So I really can't say.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: How did you get along with the other woman?
  • PATTY: Oh, I got along--
  • I didn't know-- I knew her, but I had never
  • really talked with her before.
  • And I get along great.
  • We got along very well, a lot better than I thought we would.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And I really loved being with her.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • Do you think this might have turned
  • into something else in time?
  • PATTY: Not with her.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: No?
  • PATTY: No.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: It sounds, again, you've
  • indicated to me that you sometimes outside of the work
  • situation, you didn't talk to one another at all.
  • This doesn't sound like something
  • you'd go looking for in your--
  • in a commune.
  • That is, one would hope there would
  • be friendly relationships, understanding relationships,
  • compassionate relationships.
  • And yet those don't seem to have occurred
  • in this communal situation that you're describing.
  • PATTY: Well, if it was up to me, a lot of people that were
  • there wouldn't have been there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Uh-huh.
  • PATTY: I just--
  • I just couldn't get along with them,
  • and therefore I had no desire to talk with them.
  • And it was-- it got to the point where things got so out of hand
  • that we just couldn't talk.
  • Because had we talked, we would have never been friends again.
  • It would've-- everybody just would have left.
  • It just got past the point of talking.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: But what was there that would've-- you would have
  • said to one another that would have been so destructive?
  • PATTY: Well, there was one man there that I just couldn't--
  • he just was annoying me so that had I said anything to him,
  • it would have hurt him to the point of--
  • he needed us.
  • And anything that was said against him
  • would not have proved constructive, but destructive.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And it just--
  • and I wouldn't have been there to pick up his pieces.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You didn't talk to one another.
  • Well, what was happening here that anything
  • that you would have said might have proved
  • destructive to one another?
  • PATTY: What was--
  • BRUCE JEWELL: If all you did was work together,
  • I don't understand where the conflicts were coming--
  • PATTY: Because it was getting to the point
  • where people expected so much from one another
  • that when they didn't get it, they
  • didn't know how to face the other person.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: What were they expecting?
  • PATTY: They're expecting them to--
  • it got to the point where I was being drained,
  • because I knew that people really
  • didn't care about one another.
  • So anything I would do was, like--
  • anything I would say to somebody, I would give--
  • all my energy would be taken from it.
  • They would-- I would get attacked for saying it
  • or for doing something.
  • And I just-- I just didn't need it.
  • I just didn't need to be attacked for what I was doing.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: What kind of attacks?
  • Can you give me an example?
  • PATTY: I was canning some string beans one day.
  • And seven of the quarts--
  • five out seven of the quarts broke.
  • So only-- we only had two quarts of string beans.
  • And I just--
  • I just tried to explain that I didn't
  • know what I had done wrong.
  • And I just got attacked for say-- for it happening.
  • Like, there wasn't-- they wouldn't have any string beans
  • for the winter.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Did anyone make any suggestions about how
  • you could better do the job?
  • PATTY: No.
  • No one else knew even how to can.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: I see.
  • They were just afraid that they wouldn't have
  • string beans for the winter.
  • And that caused a sufficient anxiety
  • that you were attacked without really any help being offered.
  • PATTY: Right.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And did a lot of that occur, no help offered,
  • just criticism?
  • PATTY: Uh, yeah.
  • I've-- yeah, a lot of it. (Chuckles) Enough to make me
  • nuts.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: When you say nuts, you just didn't feel like--
  • PATTY: I just--
  • I needed to explode.
  • And I had no place to explode, because I
  • was too afraid of being rejected by everybody.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Uh-huh Is there a lot of this going on
  • in the commune?
  • PATTY: I don't know, because we didn't talk.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Well, it sounds like there
  • was a lot of it going on with no one talking.
  • PATTY: There was a lot of it from me.
  • And there's a lot of it from the other woman, Joanie.
  • And there was a lot of it from this man, Steve.
  • But I don't think, I don't know if anybody really was up with--
  • I don't know if anybody else wanted
  • to deal with their emotions.
  • But I was dealing with my emotions
  • in the way where I was suppressing them.
  • And I don't know if anybody even had these emotions, you know,
  • if anybody else felt these things.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Hm.
  • Well, were there any periods where
  • you got together and discussed the day's work
  • and the problems you were having with them?
  • PATTY: Oh, yeah.
  • We could discuss things on the physical plane.
  • But when it came to feelings and emotions,
  • we couldn't discuss anything, not a thing.
  • It just got-- people would just start defending themselves
  • and attacking one another.
  • And I just couldn't live in a situation like that.
  • I wouldn't want to.
  • I knew that this place was not going to be my--
  • it was my home for the summer.
  • But it was not my permanent home.
  • These people were not my permanent resident in my home.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: They were just friends.
  • And I was just helping them out because I
  • wanted the experience of living on a commune, having a garden,
  • and building a house.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: I see.
  • So that your commitment was, perhaps,
  • not the same commitment that the others had.
  • PATTY: I don't think any of them were fully committed
  • to this place.
  • That's what I think one of the basic problems
  • were, that no one was committed to each other or to the place
  • itself.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: How do you think, well,
  • what do you think this lack of commitment meant
  • in terms of what was happening?
  • PATTY: Well, if there really wasn't
  • any commitment to what we were doing,
  • then there wasn't any reason for us being there, I don't think.
  • Or if no one really cared fully, then what
  • was the purpose of doing it?
  • If no one cared about the house being built
  • or us living together as a group of people,
  • then there was no reason to be there.
  • And there was no--
  • there was no, really, no effort into making
  • it a good commune or a good place to live or a happy home.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You were just putting up a place
  • where you could--
  • what?
  • How can I put it?
  • Stow your bods.
  • There was no attempt to improve, create a better kind of climate
  • of relationships that one might find at a university
  • or at work or something like that.
  • PATTY: Well, some of the people there just
  • wanted to be there just because.
  • They didn't care about the communal aspect of it.
  • They just cared about the physical aspect
  • of building the house, of having the garden,
  • and having this as their home.
  • They didn't care how people got along,
  • because they were doing what they wanted to do.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And that was all the physical things.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Hm.
  • The-- you told me that things reached
  • a crisis point when the roof of the dome flew off or something.
  • I don't-- and I don't quite have that straight.
  • Perhaps you could tell me that story again.
  • PATTY: Well, I wasn't there.
  • This happened about a month ago.
  • We had built a dome on top of the log cabin, which
  • was to be, I guess, extra living space as well as the roof.
  • And when that happened, people started
  • realizing that their karma was no good
  • and that they had to do some talking about how,
  • what was going on there.
  • And they had to get their feelings together
  • and their emotions together.
  • And people just blew up.
  • And they realized that they couldn't live this way.
  • And they had to care about one another to live there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: And what happened?
  • What was the--
  • PATTY: What happened?
  • Well, I wasn't there.
  • But from what I gathered, people started
  • telling people where they were at
  • and what they felt about each other.
  • And a lot of people left.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You mean cooperation even
  • failed, and failed even further under those circumstances.
  • PATTY: Well, they knew that since this happened,
  • that since the dome blew off, they just couldn't--
  • well, one of the men that--
  • he really wanted the dome to be there for the winter.
  • And he really wanted to live in it that way.
  • And when that happened, it was like all his dreams just
  • went down the drain.
  • And he had nothing there further.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Well, how did it happen
  • that this really calamitous thing occurred
  • with the dome blowing away?
  • Why didn't people take steps to secure the dome?
  • PATTY: I don't know.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: It just didn't happen.
  • It wasn't done.
  • PATTY: From what I have heard, it was because people just--
  • I don't know.
  • I don't know why they didn't secure the dome down.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Hm.
  • So after this, after the dome came off
  • and the cabin itself was not livable at this time,
  • it wasn't winterized--
  • everybody decided to move away for the winter?
  • PATTY: No.
  • Some people-- there were, at the time the dome blew off,
  • I think there were seven people there.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And after it blew off, people
  • left, one by one, until there were three people there.
  • And they got it together to winterize the cabin,
  • to put the potbellies in, the wood stoves
  • and to make it livable, because they knew they would be there
  • for the winter.
  • And then some of the people came back.
  • And they just--
  • I guess this made them realize that they
  • had to face one another and live realities instead of living
  • for the house, but realize that they were living with people.
  • And a calamity just made them see what they were doing.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Hm.
  • So going back over this experience that you've had,
  • you're now taking a class in communal living,
  • discussing communal living with other people who
  • are also into it.
  • Apparently the experience did interest you.
  • You saw possibilities for a satisfying kind of life
  • in a commune.
  • What would you do differently?
  • What would you like to see happen?
  • PATTY: Hm, what to say?
  • Um, I guess I would like it to be people
  • that know each other a little better than we knew each other,
  • or just had a certain commitment not only to the land,
  • but to the people.
  • And I guess before you go into those things,
  • you have to talk about a few things, talk a lot,
  • about what you want from the commune.
  • What you want from the land, what you want from your home,
  • what you want from each other, what you want from yourself.
  • And none of this was done from anybody.
  • I don't think anybody even knew that
  • what they wanted themselves before they did this.
  • This class, I'm not in this class for that reason.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Why are you taking the class?
  • PATTY: Because Paul's my roommate, and I'll get an A.
  • (Laughs)
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Well, (Chuckles) that bit
  • of candor I wasn't ready for.
  • But--
  • PATTY: I know.
  • (Both laugh)
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Anyhow, do you think
  • you'll be trying communal living again, whether you
  • get an A for it or not?
  • PATTY: Oh, definitely.
  • I do want to live communally.
  • This was, this experience, was not a bad experience at all.
  • I learned.
  • I learned a lot more than I would have had I not done it.
  • And I definitely want to live communally in the country,
  • not in the city.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: In the country.
  • PATTY: Yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You like the, the slower pace of it and the--
  • PATTY: Yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: --cleaner air or whatever in the country.
  • PATTY: I think it's hard for people
  • to live communally in a city, because there are so
  • many other forces that create so much static up
  • that you just can't really relax with each other.
  • But in the country, you're just in tune with nature.
  • And you just flow along with the way it is.
  • And not having all these other rushes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Well, if I can say so,
  • it doesn't sound like people who were flowing along the way--
  • PATTY: No they weren't.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: --with things too well on that commune,
  • country or otherwise.
  • PATTY: No.
  • I don't think everybody, including myself,
  • was really ready to live communally.
  • I mean, some of us were, and some of them
  • still are. 'Cause they're still doing it.
  • And they're getting along a lot better,
  • maybe because there's only four people there now.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: It sounds to me like there's a possibility
  • that, among the group of you you were making,
  • you had too few skills and too many demands upon one another.
  • That is there was a tight living situation here
  • which demanded a great deal of cooperation
  • and a great deal of mutual support.
  • And people literally didn't know how
  • to do that or give that support, and there was a need for it.
  • And out of that grew a great deal of conflict.
  • PATTY: The skills--
  • I don't know if people, it's hard to say if people really
  • cared about one another.
  • And if they did care, they didn't show it.
  • Care in the sense of, well, are you happy or are you sad.
  • Or what are you thinking and how are you feeling?
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Of course, most people
  • who would be going into a communal group today
  • come out of nuclear families and colleges and so on
  • and where they're used to being highly self-sufficient
  • or dealing with a very small group of people.
  • You can live utterly alone and live fairly well today.
  • And so it seems to me that living together demands
  • a new set of skills again.
  • PATTY: Yes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Which people just don't
  • seem to be well equipped with.
  • We've forgotten how to live with one another.
  • PATTY: Yes.
  • You got to try.
  • You've got to, you've got to understand-- you've
  • got to accept yourself first.
  • And understand not be afraid to feel
  • that you're feeling angry at yourself or angry with others.
  • And people were just too afraid to say
  • that they were angry with each other or angry with themselves.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Mhm.
  • PATTY: And if people really love each other,
  • or say that they love each other,
  • then you really shouldn't be--
  • It's really hard for me to say this,
  • but you really shouldn't be afraid of each other.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Were you able to talk to one another
  • in terms of your hopes or your dreams for the thing?
  • PATTY: Yeah.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You were able to do that.
  • PATTY: Because it was basically on a physical plane
  • of what we wanted out of it, out of the land itself,
  • rather the house itself, and how we wanted the house set up,
  • not what we really felt about who should live here
  • and who should live there.
  • There was a certain set up where we didn't want a lot of--
  • at the beginning of the summer, there were thirteen people
  • there.
  • And I think seven of them were asked to leave,
  • because thirteen people just couldn't get along.
  • We didn't want it to be a commune.
  • We wanted to be a family.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: A family.
  • PATTY: Which-- and it really is different,
  • even though we didn't function as a family.
  • It didn't work at all.
  • But I was able to talk to the woman, Joanie.
  • And I-- a lot of my outlets were through her.
  • Without her, I would've--
  • I would've really been up a tree or something.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: So do you plan sometime in the near future
  • to try communal living again?
  • PATTY: Oh, yes.
  • BRUCE JEWELL: You do.
  • PATTY: Oh, I'm going back there in a couple
  • of weeks for Thanksgiving.
  • That's just for a visit.
  • But I'm leaving school in January.
  • So I might be going there to live.
  • (Unintelligible)
  • BRUCE JEWELL: Well, I wish you every good luck, Patty.
  • Thank you very much.