Video Interview, Tony Mascioli, November 29, 2011

  • KEVIN INVODINO: Can I move up a bit closer to him
  • without being in the shot.
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I think so.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: You almost had a gonging clock in there.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Ev, you could sit down
  • or watch on the monitor-- whatever you want to do.
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I'll stand over here in the corner.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Well, you don't have to stand here.
  • (Unintelligible)
  • And like I said, once we get into this
  • and you want to answer something differently, just say,
  • let me try that again.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: OK.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: OK.
  • We're rolling?
  • CREW: We're rolling.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Here's a tough question.
  • I need you to correctly spell your first and last name
  • for me.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Anthony Mascioli, M-A-S-C-I-O-L-I.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: We're going to start with the late 40s, early
  • 50s-- that time period.
  • Just tell me, what was Rochester like back then?
  • What are your memories of Rochester back
  • in the late 40s, early 50s?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, Rochester
  • was actually a little bit of a swinging town.
  • We had a Navy base near by at Geneva, so there was always--
  • these guys used to come in, and downtown was very busy.
  • There were actually a couple of nightclubs
  • and one or two gay bars, even then.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Talk to me about it.
  • Talk to me--
  • (Laughter)
  • (Unintelligible talking in background)
  • KEVIN INVODINO: OK.
  • We're gonna ask the same question again.
  • Just talk to me about what Rochester was like in
  • the late '40s, early '50s.
  • You're a teenager, you're getting out there.
  • Talk to me about what you were experiencing.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, downtown Rochester
  • after the Second World War was very busy.
  • That's where all the department stores were.
  • People went shopping there.
  • There was a nightlife.
  • There were a couple of nightclubs for straight people.
  • There was a couple of gay bars.
  • Altogether, I at the time thought
  • it wasn't very lively, because I was in a New York City
  • frame of mind.
  • But it was, when I look back on it, kind of fun.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Let's talk about the gay scene then.
  • Back when you were coming out, what
  • was the social scene for the gay community in Rochester?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: The social scene for the gay community
  • was quite sub rosa, as was everywhere else at the time.
  • I mean, the bars were--
  • well, the public didn't even know about them.
  • I mean, maybe some high school kids did.
  • When I was in high school, there was a bar called
  • the Rustic Bar on Front Street.
  • And it was a notorious establishment only
  • because, oh, my goodness, queer people went in that place.
  • In fact, one or a few times, I went over
  • with some buddies of mine, because I wasn't out yet,
  • and we were just looking around from the outside
  • and, sort of, sneering as people did in those days.
  • But that closed, about, the time I got out of high school
  • and came out.
  • And that was replaced by Dick's across the street,
  • which is in the middle of--
  • well, it would be Rochester's answer to the Bowery.
  • Front Street in that era was where drunks and down-and-outs
  • were.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: How did you find out about these places?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I found out about the Rustic Garden
  • simply because it was an institution for high school
  • boys to know something like that, that there was this queer
  • bar downtown.
  • And I simply--
  • I don't know, just word of mouth, mostly.
  • I was just waiting for the day when
  • I would be able to go into these places, when
  • I got out of high school and could get served.
  • At that time, you could be served at 18.
  • So I started going in there at, about, 17 and 1/2,
  • but not the Rustic Garden.
  • I went to Dick's.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Tell me what Dick's was like.
  • What was it like--
  • talk to me about your first experience of walking
  • into Dick's.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, like everything else for me at that
  • time, it was new and exciting to go into Dick's.
  • But after all, it wasn't really anything like today's bars.
  • It was really for drunks.
  • That's really what-- it was originally for drunks,
  • and then the owner decided that he was
  • going to cater to gay people.
  • And so there was a mix.
  • It was, kind of, a crazy situation.
  • But nevertheless, for a new person just coming out,
  • it was all very exciting, and I met a lot of people there.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: We're still talking about the late '40s
  • and 1950s here.
  • What was Rochester's general attitude
  • towards gay bars or the gay scene?
  • How did they react to it?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I don't think that the Rochester public
  • really knew that there was a gay bar on Front Street
  • and, later, on Clinton Avenue, the Glass Bar.
  • Because first of all, the Glass Bar was a mixed bar.
  • It was not completely gay.
  • They had female strippers on top of the bar
  • and a little three-piece trio playing.
  • It was, kind of, fun and a very lively place.
  • And it was a mix.
  • You made do with the mix.
  • It was, kind of, exciting, really.
  • So that didn't bother them.
  • And the place on Front Street--
  • I don't think most Rochester people even knew about or cared
  • about such a location.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Were there other places
  • where gay men could socialize, you know, in the 1950s,
  • other than the bars?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: No, in the 1950s,
  • essentially, for social life, you really needed the bars.
  • I mean, I don't think there were--
  • to my knowledge, there were no clubs or anything like that.
  • It was strictly a bar situation.
  • There were no baths that I know of, certainly not in Rochester.
  • There might have been baths in New York City,
  • or big cities like that.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Let's talk a little bit more
  • about some of the specific bars.
  • You talked to me once about a bar called The Oasis.
  • I remember something about a back room, that experience.
  • Talk to me about The Oasis.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, sure.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Talk to me about the back room,
  • and why the back room was so important.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: There was a bar in Rochester,
  • right after I got out of high school in 1948, that
  • was a short-lived place.
  • It was called The Oasis on South Avenue, a little bit
  • south of the Rundel Library.
  • And what made this place unique was
  • that men could dance together in the back room.
  • This was quite unheard of in that particular era.
  • That was illegal, and it had to be done very secretly
  • in the back room.
  • In fact, there were times when we
  • had to stop dancing when there was
  • a possibility that the plainclothesmen might
  • be coming in there.
  • But I can't recall exactly why, but it didn't last very long.
  • They must have shut it down.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: So that brings me back to some of the secrecy
  • that you still have to, kind of, go with back in those days
  • about not being gay.
  • I mean, there was some sort of stigma,
  • where if you had to dance in back rooms.
  • Did you ever feel any negative attitudes
  • from the general society about who you were, or ever
  • feel that you really needed to hide who you were?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Yes.
  • In that era, I felt that I had to hide who I was.
  • And I did hide who I was.
  • I mean, I just did what--
  • you know, I dated and I did what was expected to do.
  • I certainly didn't come out to my parents.
  • That came a little bit later, that kind of thing.
  • So yes, everything was very secretive.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: There's another place where you
  • talk about the Manger Hotel.
  • What was that place like?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: When things got a little bit better--
  • I would say, it would have been in the '50s when
  • there was a hotel in Clinton, near Main Street, called
  • the Seneca.
  • Later, it became the Manger.
  • And the Manger Hotel--
  • take that out, the mango.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Take it out.
  • You start over.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Let's see.
  • Start all over.
  • You have to start the question again.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Talk to me about your experience
  • at the Manger Hotel.
  • What was the Manger Hotel, and what was it like to go there?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: There was a very nice hotel in Rochester
  • after the war, on Clinton near Main Street,
  • called the Seneca Hotel, which became the Manger Hotel.
  • And the Manger Hotel had a bar which was, again, another mixed
  • bar, but primarily, it was a very sub rosa gay situation
  • there.
  • There was a lot of cruising going on at the Manger.
  • Yeah.
  • And then, there was also a rather sophisticated
  • little place for a short while on East Avenue,
  • called the 44 and 1/2.
  • And they had wonderful singers, and they
  • had a female vocalist, Jeri Southern, one
  • of my favorites of that era.
  • She actually appeared there.
  • It was that kind of thing.
  • And it was all very New York and very wonderful.
  • That lasted a couple of years, because people used to go out
  • to those kinds of clubs.
  • And then, there was a place on Gibbs Street,
  • across from the Eastman Theater, called the Town and Country,
  • which was, as I recall, part-restaurant, part-bar,
  • and run by gay people, which was unusual also for that period.
  • And it was very popular with the upper-class gay people.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Was it a fun era?
  • Was it an exciting place to go to?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Yes.
  • First of all, apart from the excitement,
  • which is nonexistent downtown today, it was fun.
  • Because first of all, when you're first coming out,
  • everything is fun.
  • And I think part of the fact that it all
  • had to be so secretive actually added, not detracted,
  • from the glamor and romance of it all.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Well, you're certainly not--
  • you certainly don't have the usual coming-out story.
  • I mean, most men and women coming out-- you know,
  • they tried to hide it for a very long time,
  • but you never really had a problem with it.
  • You just, kind of, immersed yourself into the scene.
  • And how do you think that that was possible for you?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, I had to go to--
  • it was possible for me to keep my secret
  • because I went to New York City, and that's
  • probably the reason I was so anxious to get away from here--
  • was that I wanted liberation and freedom, which
  • is exactly what I did.
  • At nineteen years of age, I took off.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Well, let's talk about New York a little bit.
  • Why was New York so different than what you were
  • finding here up in Rochester?
  • From the way you talk, there was a social scene here
  • in Rochester.
  • What were you finding in New York
  • that you couldn't find here?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I found in New York City--
  • I just was a New York City lover at the time, as most people
  • that age are.
  • I was just taken with the theater and everything
  • it had to offer.
  • It wasn't just about gay life.
  • I thought I was going to be a playwright at the time.
  • And that was the place to be at that time.
  • All the arts were focused right there, not much
  • of anywhere else.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Well, let's talk about 1960s.
  • And let's move into the 1960s when you were really, kind of,
  • situating yourself in New York.
  • When did you actually get into the bathhouse business?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I got into the bathhouse business
  • after ten years of having just regular--
  • I was a regularly employed guy.
  • And I got into the bathhouse business in 1974
  • in downtown-- in lower Manhattan,
  • in the Financial District, with a small bathhouse
  • called the Wall Street Sauna.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: And talk to me about the Wall Street Sauna.
  • Talk to me about what my experience
  • would be if I were going there for the first time.
  • You know, what was it like?
  • What was the atmosphere like?
  • You don't have to get too graphic about what
  • was going on in there.
  • But you know, what was the saunas and the bathhouses
  • providing for the clientele?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: You have to give me a minute on that.
  • Is that possible?
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Yeah, I asked you a whole lot of questions
  • all at once.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Yeah, because I don't know.
  • I really don't-- it's not as if we're really talking to each
  • other, and I don't know how to answer that.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Well, talk to me--
  • if 1974-- I'm a young guy who grew up in New York,
  • and I'm gonna go to the Wall Street bathhouse.
  • What was it like walking into a place like that?
  • What would be my experience, aside from going into a room
  • and having sex?
  • You know, talk to me about the actual atmosphere of the place.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Excuse me.
  • You may want to delete this.
  • I don't know how to--
  • but when we opened the Wall Street Sauna,
  • we did it with $9,000.
  • So it was an extremely limited budget.
  • This was not a fancy establishment,
  • as opposed to the other many bathhouses
  • at the time going on in New York City.
  • We had to do all the work ourselves.
  • We had to buy used lockers from a health spa that
  • was going out of business.
  • So it was a pretty basic place, but nevertheless there
  • was nothing else like it downtown for people
  • who were in the business area, who really didn't have
  • too many opportunities any other time of day or any other place.
  • So it caught on rather quickly, by word of mouth.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: I wanna ask you this.
  • Why did you get into the bathhouse business?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Now, that one, I don't know if I can answer.
  • You have to coach me on this.
  • We got into the bath--
  • we got into-- this is off-screen, please.
  • We got in there, because I knew what the cruising situation was
  • downtown.
  • I don't know how to answer that on camera.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: But I guess what I'm
  • getting at is, was it just a business decision for you,
  • or do you think you were providing
  • the gay community with some sort of social element?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: No, the primary motivation
  • was business.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: OK.
  • 1960s, 1970s-- the gay scene, the gay community
  • was changing a bit from what it was in the '40s and '50s.
  • Can you talk to me about some of the changes
  • that you were seeing in that time period?
  • Were they becoming more visible, more vocal?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, prior to Stonewall,
  • which was in 1969, during the '60s,
  • a lot of those gay bars in New York City
  • were still owned by mysterious forces.
  • We used to call it the syndicate.
  • Nobody knew who owned these places.
  • And then, finally Mayor Wagner--
  • because there was going to be a World's Fair in 1964,
  • he wanted to, quote, clean up the city.
  • And one of the things he did was close every single bar
  • in the city of New York.
  • And from then until Stonewall, we
  • were living in a bit of a Nazi Germany gestapo situation.
  • Most of the bars were closed.
  • If a bar was open, there was a policeman in uniform right
  • inside, at a table, and you had to sign your name.
  • And you were not supposed to leave with anybody
  • that you didn't enter with.
  • This was a pretty grim situation.
  • So the cruising started going on in hotel bars
  • and in, sort of, mixed places during that period.
  • And then, well, up until the Stonewall situation, then,
  • of course, everybody knows that there was a revolt.
  • And gay people started running these businesses themselves,
  • and the raidings stopped.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Talk to me about the '70s then.
  • The '70s were pretty free-thinking,
  • pretty liberated.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, the '70s,
  • following that Stonewall and everything else that
  • was going on all over the country,
  • were completely liberated sexually.
  • I mean, New York City was at its zenith of sexual freedom.
  • All kinds of things were going on.
  • And bathhouses were going-- about, ten of them.
  • And there were sex clubs and sex bars, pretty wild
  • up until AIDS hit in 19--
  • I think, '81.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Let's take it from there, then.
  • What changed in the '80s?
  • How did attitudes change?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: When AIDS arrived on the scene,
  • it was quite a mysterious thing.
  • I mean, they were blaming it, of course,
  • as you know, on poppers.
  • And they didn't know what to--
  • anything they could reach.
  • And of course, the authorities started
  • closing the bars, one by one.
  • And plus, gay people, even if they were open,
  • weren't going to go anyway.
  • Nobody knew exactly what was going on.
  • There was really, like, a terror in the atmosphere.
  • And things just declined until some drugs
  • came along and a little more sanity entered the picture.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Talk to me a little more
  • specifically about the AIDS crisis
  • and the shutting down of the bathhouses in New York.
  • Tell me what you were experiencing
  • in that time period.
  • What were you afraid that was going
  • to happen with your business?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, the bathhouses
  • were being shut down, one by one.
  • No explanation as to--
  • I mean, the explanation, of course,
  • was sexually transmitted diseases.
  • But one never knew which club was going to be next.
  • And the East Side Sauna continued in operation,
  • but we were required to have health people
  • from the Gay Men's Health Crisis giving tests and counseling
  • there.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: While this was all going on-- and of course,
  • you're trying to safeguard your own business--
  • were you involved in any of AIDS activism?
  • Were you involved with the Gay Men's Health Crisis,
  • in helping get the word out, or--
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: No, I was not personally
  • involved with the Gay Men's Health Crisis,
  • other than being a volunteer for some blood-testing work.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: I want to jump way forward to modern times,
  • then.
  • You know, you've seen a lot over the past four or five decades,
  • and how the gay communities have changed
  • over the past fifty years.
  • What do you think is maybe some of the challenges
  • that we still have to confront as far as gay people in today's
  • society?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I have to think about that one.
  • Give me a moment.
  • Now, this is-- what would you think I should say there?
  • KEVIN INVODINO: I don't want to put words in your mouth.
  • Let me ask you a little differently.
  • Did you ever think we'd be coming
  • as far as we have, in terms of gay liberation
  • and in terms of gay marriage?
  • You know, if you can, kind of, just capsulate your past fifty
  • years, what do you think about the gay community now?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, I think the gay community has
  • made extraordinary progress.
  • Even if I think about it in terms of my life,
  • I'm no longer in the shadows, so to speak.
  • Everything is wide open.
  • I think it's fabulous that people
  • can be more or less who they are, with a few exceptions,
  • of course.
  • Not everybody's out.
  • But they're coming out, and it's just
  • changing the whole mentality of the straight.
  • And I think the straights and the gays
  • are mixing now in bars and at parties.
  • It's quite a different picture from before,
  • when it was all segregated.
  • It's just fabulous.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: If you were to give advice to young adults who
  • are maybe just now thinking about coming out of the closet,
  • from your experience, what would you tell them?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I would tell them the same thing--
  • I would tell anybody wondering whether they should come out
  • the same thing I told myself.
  • There wasn't any question in my mind,
  • because I knew that I was gay, and then I
  • knew that pursuing any other way of life would have made me
  • and those around me unhappy.
  • And I would suggest that anybody who
  • has a gay inclination follow through with it.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: I'm gonna take you way back to the beginning
  • again.
  • I just want to make sure that I've got some good coverage
  • on the early years.
  • You're just coming out.
  • You're going down to Front Street.
  • Describe for me Front Street.
  • Describe for me what it was like,
  • walking down Front Street, looking at the Rustic Garden.
  • What was going through your mind and your experience back then?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Front Street looked,
  • in the late '40s and early '50s, nothing like it does today.
  • There were buildings on both sides of warehouses
  • and all kinds of--
  • you really didn't even know there was a river there.
  • Because even Main Street, where the bridge is on Main Street
  • now, there were buildings there, too, on both sides.
  • And on Front Street, on the riverside,
  • that was all buildings, facing out to the river in the back.
  • It was pretty shabby, pretty shabby.
  • No respectable person would have any business there.
  • It was for bums, really, derelicts, and unfortunately,
  • gay people at that time.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: When you were down on Front Street--
  • and I'll say, cruising the street
  • or whatever, did you ever wish that there was a better place
  • to socialize, a better place for gay people to go?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Oh, sure we wished,
  • when we were going to Front Street,
  • that there was a better place in there.
  • There was, eventually.
  • When the Manger opened their bar--
  • the Manger Bar and the Glass Bar--
  • that's where I preferred to chew.
  • I really didn't like to go to Front Street.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Hey, Ev?
  • Am I missing anything?
  • EVELYN BAILEY: Just Tony, talk to Kevin
  • a little bit about your family in terms
  • of what it was that you didn't want them to be hurt by?
  • Or you know, growing up, you weren't really harassed
  • by anybody, but you weren't open in your family
  • about who you were.
  • You had to go outside with your feeling, to find that freedom,
  • to find the freedom.
  • Did you (recording ends and resumes)--
  • if they knew you were gay?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Am I ready to answer?
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Yes, answer it to me
  • like I just asked you that.
  • Talk to me about your relationship with your family,
  • and talk to me about what that relationship was
  • like, particularly when you were coming out as a gay man.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Growing up in the '40s,
  • my relationship with my family was good.
  • But I had a very strict Italian father,
  • and I really wouldn't have had the courage
  • to say anything to him.
  • I didn't want to--
  • my mother was a very sensitive lady.
  • And in that era, it would have been too much of a shock
  • to try to tell them that.
  • I kept everything I did very secret.
  • I used to pretend I was going on dates.
  • I even had my mail going to friends' homes--
  • and telegrams and things that I was-- in those days, people
  • sent telegrams.
  • And it was all very, very secret and sub rosa.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: So do you feel in some sense that going out
  • to the clubs or the bars--
  • did you ever feel like you were leading a double life?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: I definitely felt like I
  • was living a double life, yes.
  • But it was worth it, I think, primarily
  • in the case of my mother, not to hurt her feelings,
  • and I was afraid of my father.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: So what were you finding out
  • in the social circles that you were afraid to expose
  • to your parents?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, I was afraid to expose to my parents
  • the fact that I was gay, and that I was seeing men and not
  • really girls.
  • I mean, I just didn't feel they had to know that.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Did you ever find
  • that in the social circles, wherever you were going--
  • was it almost like a second family for you?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Oh, very much, yes.
  • Growing up in social circles then
  • was very much like having a second family.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: And what was that second family
  • providing for you other than having good times?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, support.
  • support in the sense that I was, you know, gay.
  • Actually, once in a while, I would stay away from the house
  • and stay with them.
  • So it was shelter, in a kind of a funny way.
  • Yes, it was--
  • I could be open.
  • I could be myself totally.
  • It was very relaxing, liberating.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Is that what you were looking for, Ev?
  • EVELYN BAILEY: Yeah.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: OK.
  • Anything else?
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I can't think of anything.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Yeah, no, I really just wanted to, kind of,
  • get the early years.
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I think the story about your coming back, wanting
  • to go into the army, and your father saving you
  • from that experience is very interesting.
  • Because that was the thing to do.
  • When the war came, everybody went and enlisted.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: What was that, like '48?
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: No, it wasn't '48.
  • That was, I'm going to say, '50--
  • It was the Korean War.
  • Does anybody know--
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Oh, that would have been '50, '54?
  • EVELYN BAILEY: '52.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: It was around '52.
  • It was around '52.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: Just tell me a little bit about that, then.
  • You went to New York briefly, came back to Rochester,
  • was going to enlist in the army.
  • Talk to me a little bit about that.
  • ANTHONY MASCIOLI: Well, during the Korean War,
  • the army was not enlisting.
  • The army was drafting.
  • And I got my notice to appear at the draft fort
  • here in Rochester, because this is where I grew up.
  • So I left New York City, came back to Rochester
  • for my physical, fully expecting to go in.
  • But my father--
  • I had flat feet at the time, and they're now really bad,
  • but they were bad then, too.
  • And my father suggested that I go to the physical
  • with some X-rays, some huge, old-fashioned kind of X-rays.
  • I was a little embarrassed even to bring them there.
  • But the doctors looked at them, and they
  • looked pretty carefully and decided
  • that I was 4F on the basis of those X-rays.
  • And that really was a whole--
  • that changed everything about my life,
  • because suddenly, I was not going in the service.
  • What was I going to do?
  • So I went to Brockport State Teachers College,
  • and from there to Columbia, thinking that I
  • was going to be a playwright.
  • But I didn't follow through on that,
  • and got into the business world.
  • Is that what you wanted?
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I do.
  • Yup.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: OK.
  • I don't need anything else.
  • EVELYN BAILEY: I think we're set.
  • KEVIN INVODINO: You did well.